DEEP30 protein

Click on this image to see the ingredient label for DEEP 30 Coconut flavor - an example of a protein powder that isn't going to kill your insides.

If you’re wondering how to choose protein powder, this article will help you, because I’m going to teach you about 4 protein powder mistakes you probably don’t know you’re making. Be sure to download and listen to this protein audio interview  too.

Let’s start with a quick exercise:

Take a look at the ingredients of the protein powder above (called DEEP30). You can click on the image and read them, or just read below:

Goat Milk Protein, Goat Milk Mineral Whey (electrolytes), Guar/Xanthan Gum Blend, Goat Milk Cream, Stevia, Bacillus coagulans GBI-30 6086 (probiotics).

Got it?

OK, now check out the ingredients of probably one of the most popular protein powders on the face of the planet – EAS Myoplex:

Whey Protein Concentrate (Whey Protein Concentrate, Soy Lecithin), Corn Maltodextrin, Natural & Artificial Flavor, Salt, Whey Protein Isolate, Carageenan, Xanthan Gum, Acesulfame Potassium, and Sucralose.

The difference between these two proteins may seems slight at first, until you take a closer look and see:

1) You Can Make A Mistake With The Protein Source.

The whey protein concentrate source in EAS Myoplex is from cow protein, but the protein source from the DEEP30 is from goat protein. Compared to cow’s milk, goat’s milk is less allergenic, naturally homogenized, easier to digest, lactose intolerant friendly, and biochemically and thermodynamically superior to cow’s milk.

I cover the issue with cow’s protein in detail in the episode “Cow’s Milk vs. Goat’s Milk”. In addition, compared to cow products, goat products contain less or none of the growth hormones or antibiotics that massive cow dairies have come to rely upon to turn a profit.

2) You Can Make A Mistake With Added Ingredients Like Soy & Corn.

The EAS Myoplex adds a soy lecithin extract –  an “emulsifier” in many foods and supplements that helps the components mix together more thoroughly. Unfortunately, not only is 91 percent of soy grown in the US genetically modified, but soy contains natural toxins known as “anti-nutrients”,  a clot-promoting substance that causes your red blood cells to clump together (hemagglutinin),  substances that block the synthesis of thyroid hormones (goitrogens), mineral absorption-blocking phytates, plant based phytoestrogens that may cause infertility and may promote breast cancer in women, and high levels of toxic metals aluminum and manganese. I’ve found that protein powders without the soy lecithin tend to clump slightly easier, but do just as fine if you put them in a blender or shaker.

The corn maltodextrin in the EAS Myoplex is not present in large amounts, but it’s a completely unnecessary added carb from another highly genetically modified source. If you want to have carbs with your protein, just toss in a banana – you’ll get the fiber benefit with none of the genetic risks.

3) You Can Make A Mistake By Not Checking the Sweetener.

If you take a look at what is actually used as a sweetener, you’ll see that EAS Myoplex uses acesulfame potassium, a derivative of acetoacetic acid that has produced tumors in lab animals, and sucralose, a chlorinated sucrose derivative that has been shown to kill up to 50% of the good bacteria in your gut.

In contrast, Mt. Capra’s DEEP30 uses a completely natural and safe root-based sweetener – stevia. Personally, I lived on stuff like EAS for years in college and as a bodybuilder and you don’t realize how much you were burping up chemicals and nasty fuzzy-thinking and stomach distress until you quit eating it and switch to something natural.

4) You Can Make A Mistake By Stopping At Just Protein.

When you listen to today’s audio episode with Joe Stout, a food scientist at Mt. Capra nutrition, you’re going to find out the benefit of going above and beyond just protein. EAS Myoplex stops at protein. DEEP30 also includes electrolytes and a probiotic strain called GanedenBC30, which can literally heal your stomach, eliminate abdominal pain and bloating in patients, and strengthen the immune system.

The end result is that you don’t feel like you’re constipated and bloated a couple hours after you’ve had your protein shake – and you literally are building a healthier gastrointestinal tract every time you eat your protein. You can also learn more about probiotics in this other interview with Joe: All About Protein, Enzymes & Probiotics.

So here’s a quick review:

When you choose a protein powder, look for an organic protein source, zero soy or artificial sweeteners, and added ingredients that help you digest the protein.

I’ve been using DEEP30 for about 3 weeks now. It tastes a bit like a Wendy’s Frosty and far better than Mt. Capra’s previous protein powder (Double Bonded Whey). It also results in zero chemically burps, bloating, gas and constipation like other proteins do. I keep all three flavors (Banana, Strawberry and Coconut) in my pantry and just cycle through all three flavors, mixing them with either coconut milk, kefir or yogurt.

If you get a chance to try DEEP30, or you have other questions, comments or feedback about protein powders, leave them below.

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Joe January 20, 2012 at 6:59 am

I know this is sort of off topic, but in the last sentence you mention you mix it with yogurt. What kind of yogurt do you eat? I've noted in reading other things you written that you normally don't eat dairy so I'm assuming you eat a non-dairy yogurt. I have found by eliminating dairy that I have a dairy intolerance, and so far I've only been able to find yogurt made from almonds and was wondering what else may be out there. Thanks for any info you can provide

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ben_greenfield January 20, 2012 at 8:44 am

We make our own yogurt, cheese and kefir from raw, grass fed milk that we get from a local farm. Yogurt does naturally have some lactase and probiotics in it too…

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jackie January 20, 2012 at 8:10 am

hm….sounds great, as i do better with goat dairy than cow dairy, but i'm getting a very high quality 100% grassfed, USDA organic cow's milk whey right now. non-denatured, nothing added. just plain whey concentrate. oh, except a bit of sunflower lecithin. but that's it – just those 2 ingredients, no flavors, sweeteners, etc. they soon will have an option without the lecithin; when i bought it they didn't have that option yet. hard to beat that, and if i could get such a high quality goat milk whey, that would be awesome. is this goat milk whey chemical/pesticide free and also grassfed?

thanks.

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ben_greenfield January 20, 2012 at 8:45 am

Yes, these are organic, grass-fed goats Jackie…your whey sounds good. How does it taste?

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jackie January 20, 2012 at 12:49 pm

it tastes fine, but i can eat just about anything if i know it's high quality and good for me. i don't really care about taste/texture too much – just about the quality. this goat whey looks pretty good, but i'm not crazy about all the extra stuff in it , like natural flavoring (that usually means msg), and the thickeners. don't mind the stevia though, although it would be better without. i guess i'm a purist. and it says there's casein in there, which i'm not crazy about either. oh well, if they ever make it without all the extras, please let us know, but i guess i'll just stick my cow's milk whey for now. thanks.

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Tony Johnson January 20, 2012 at 8:56 am

On the subject of dairy and fats, I notice you don't mention often mention cheese, just whole milk and yoghurt as healthy. What's your take on cheese? After watching Fathead it appears that the saturated fat is not the enemy as it doesn't cause heart disease or am I missing something? I do know if I eat too much I get IBS but that's just a personal issue.

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ben_greenfield January 20, 2012 at 10:50 am

I use cheese like a condiment, Tony – similar to ketchup or mustard. Usually feta or parmesan, sparingly on salads, and occasionally yogurt cheese (homemade) with flax crackers. The issue with cheese is not the saturated fat but the cattle source.

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Yanet aleaga January 20, 2012 at 9:32 am

I'm considering this for my 16 year old son who wants to put on some muscle. He's 6'1 165lbs & trains baseball 25-hours a week or more including strength. How much & when would you recommend this be taken? And how long before you start to see results? What is the easiest eay for a teenager on the go to mix this up?
Thank you – really love everything you put out!!! Yanet

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ben_greenfield January 20, 2012 at 10:50 am

20-30g of this after practice, Yanet – along with fruit or some other form of carb! Best way to do it is get a shaker cup, shake it up with water or some kind of milk (preferably rice or almond milk) and then eat a piece of fruit on the side.

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A January 20, 2012 at 10:07 am

Hi Ben,
I love your podcasts etc HOWEVER I think you need to be responsible and fully disclose your links with companies you promote. I want to be able to navigate between advice and product promotion. I am sure you feel the same way when reading advice of other experts. I think it would help a lot w people trusting your advice. Thanks!

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ben_greenfield January 20, 2012 at 10:51 am

A….did you even listen to the podcast? I did.

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Bree January 20, 2012 at 10:31 am

Bummer! This came out two days too late. I just ordered the Double Bonded Mt. Capra from Pacific Elite.

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ben_greenfield January 20, 2012 at 10:51 am

That's OK…I still use that in my morning oatmeal!

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Gerry S January 21, 2012 at 7:28 pm

I use Mt. Capra Double Bonded Protein Powder. the flavor grew on me and now I kind of like it. Only thing I don't like is that it doesn't mix easily at all. It says it should be shaken always (not stirred or mixed) but I can't get it to blend into milk without an electric hand mixer. Is that normal? I like it a lot as a supplement though and feel like it's way better quality than EAS and the other big names.

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ben_greenfield January 21, 2012 at 7:45 pm

Yes, it's a catch-22 – use fewer preservative and emulsifiers and it doesn't mix as well. Just use a shaker cup, or stir for about 30 seconds and it will work…

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Gerry S January 23, 2012 at 4:33 pm

30 seconds? You must be the strongest fastest stirrer ever. I would have to stir this for about 30 minutes to get it to go into solution. Perhaps your triathlon skills carry over into your stirring skills.

Sam Fox January 20, 2012 at 12:41 pm

I wanted to clarify, did Joe say the Deep 30 has the whey and casein proteins as well- just like the double bonded stuff does?

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ben_greenfield January 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Yes…whey + casein.

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Chuck January 20, 2012 at 11:33 pm

Hey Ben! You said, “sucralose, a chlorinated sucrose derivative that has been shown to kill up to 50% of the good bacteria in your gut.” What is the effect of this- can it cause things like gas, bloating, and stomach discomfort? Or does killing he good bacteria have other implications?

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ben_greenfield January 21, 2012 at 2:26 pm

getting sick a lot, in addition to that other stuff, Chuck. Also increased sensitivity to food intolerances/allergies.

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Alex January 21, 2012 at 2:01 am

Hey Ben, this sounds great but since I can't buy this in Australia I'd have to get it shipped from the US, which adds some 50% to the price making it too expensive for me (more than double what I pay for my standard protein powder). Is there any other protein powder with similar characteristics that I could hopefully find here? Thanks a lot!

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ben_greenfield January 21, 2012 at 2:27 pm

Look at the ingredient profile, then look for something similar. I *personally* don't know of something like it in Oz….

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Anita January 21, 2012 at 12:26 pm

Thanks for the protein shakes podcast Ben and thanks for divulging that Mt Capra does in fact sponsor you- transparency is key to your believability!

I am wondering about the following: I am a pretty intense dragon boater who undergoes fit tests to qualify for team membership. One of the tests is the bench press. I am in the gym 3x per week and over the last 2 years, I have not been able to press more than 118 LBS. (I am 178 cm tall and weigh from 76 to 80 kg). I am following a strength training program specifically for bench as well as my regular team weight training program.

I do cardio (ERG, elipitical- about 1.5 hours per week. I can't run right now, have a knee-hip injury… but I did run, about 25km per week this past summer, 2011. I also ran a 10km in 2010, 54:44 was my time). I also attend 2 team circuit trainings per week (mostly strength) and i also paddle practice 2-3x per week, 1 hour sessions.

I've never given protein shakes a try– do you think this is what's missing for me to able to press 120LBS and above? I currently press 111LBS, one time calculated bench.

I follow a "balanced" diet in that i eat "everything"– meat, dairy, etc.. I recently checked my protein intake for one week, calculating everything i ate and using the site Calorie King for the data and it seems I get about 120 to 160 g of protein each day. I also got above 90 g of fat each day and about 250 grams of carbs. I eat pretty balanced but do go the gym without have snacked b/w lunch and dinner (i get there at 5:30 PM when lunch was at 11:30AM). I find it hard to train with food in my stomach. I likely should snack before gym- i have started doing cottage cheese before gym, seems to hold me better during workout. I have recently been told that a protein shake right after my work out will help in putting on muscle. Since this is what i seem to need to press 120 LBS and above, is that sound advice?

Am looking forward to your comments!

Thanks!
Anita

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ben_greenfield January 21, 2012 at 2:28 pm

Anita, I'd take a bunch of pre-digested amino acids before your workout (like Master Amino Pattern) and then read this too: http://getfitguy.quickanddirtytips.com/how-to-ben…

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Anita January 22, 2012 at 7:00 am

Thanks for your reply Ben. Uhm, what is the difference b/w MAPs and a protein shake? I mean why did you recommend that instead of the other? Thanks!
Anita

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ben_greenfield January 22, 2012 at 7:52 am

MAP's are predigested and have no calories. Protein shakes must be digested, and have calories. You should do search for "amino acids" in the sidebar. I wrote a good article on this…

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Neil T January 23, 2012 at 5:18 am

Ben,

I am wondering your thoughts on the effect of cooking with protein powder. Specifically, I would like to know if cooking has a detrimental effect on its effectiveness. To give you an idea, I sometimes add some protein powder to my instant pancake mix for "power pancakes," as well as to granola bar and to muffin recipes. I know that the traditional preparation is cold in a milkshake, and although I doubt it, I started wondered if I was doing a disservice by heating it.

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ben_greenfield January 24, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Protein gets denatured by heat, but that doesn't affect it's effectiviness. The problem is that when you heat it with carbs you get "Advanced Glycation End Products" which can disrupt cell metabolism. Best not to do granola bars and muffins anyways…

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Kelcey January 24, 2012 at 12:34 pm

Hi Ben
I still have a canister of the Mt Capri goat protein. I just can't drink it because it tastes so, well, goaty. I don't want to order this stuff if it has that same gamey sort of goat taste. Thanks
Kelcey

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ben_greenfield January 24, 2012 at 2:16 pm

That's kinda what we talked about in the podcast – it tastes freaking awesome.

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Chris Colvin January 24, 2012 at 3:51 pm

Ive just ordered Deep 30 …. I don’t use a lot of protein powders …. But I figured if I was going to use a powder, it mays well be the best ….

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Samantha January 25, 2012 at 4:02 pm

Do you know if there are any other places to buy Deep 30? (Trying to avoid shipping costs as I live in Canada as well as wait time since I just ran out of my protein).
Also, I currently use Iso-Gold because it was the cleanest thing I could find so far. Are you familiar with it? Any thoughts?

Ingredients: whey protein isolate matrix (CFM & HydroFlow-XP Whey Proteins), Acti-NOS Arginine Peptides (From Specially Hydrolyzed Whey Protein Isolate), Intact Colostrum, Aminogen Protein Digesting Enzyme Complex (Protease I & II), Lactase, Soya Lecithin (Less than 1%)

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ben_greenfield January 25, 2012 at 5:58 pm

This isogold doesn't look bad to me! Not the probiotics of DEEP30, but other than that, it looks ok!

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Michael January 27, 2012 at 8:10 pm

when Udo Erasmus was on your show he said soy lecithin was harmless because the bad substances of soy weren't in the lecithin extract. I thought soy protein was bad for all the aforementioned reasons but that soy lecithin was not something to be worried about.

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ben_greenfield January 27, 2012 at 10:47 pm

organic sunflower lecithin is better…

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John February 11, 2012 at 9:13 am

Hi Ben-
Let's face it, I'm cheap. I don't like spending the $30+ dollars each month for protein powder. What are you thoughts about this protein powder recipe I found in a sports nutrition cookbook? One cup of nonfat milk, 1/2 cup of nonfat powder milk, frozen banana chunks, and tablespoon of unsweetened cocoa powder. It's roughly 40 grams of protein, and very cheap to make.
Thanks,
John

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ben_greenfield February 11, 2012 at 9:31 am

If you use grassfed, raw milk this would be OK…

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@dpom75 February 13, 2012 at 2:02 pm

This recipe would end up being much more than $30 per month. Especially when you count the time you take to prepare it (my wife and I have an actual number, our time is worth $110/hour, do you have a figure?).

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ben_greenfield February 13, 2012 at 2:51 pm

You mean my "time per hour"?

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